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Che Guavara...forty years on.

 
 
Francis
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 01:08 pm
dlowan wrote:
What's a Caudillo?


Well, that's a word we learn around here at a early age..

Caudillo
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Francis
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 01:10 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
Phukking Latins !! Smile


Damned Irish!!! Rolling Eyes
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 01:11 pm
dlowan wrote:
What's a Caudillo?


Think of Napoleon & other "men on horseback" (including wannabes such as Boulanger).
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 01:13 pm
Francis wrote:
georgeob1 wrote:
Phukking Latins !! Smile


Damned Irish!!! Rolling Eyes


Francis,

No matter how much you give way to your inherent Gaullic aggression, I will always forgive you - because I am such a nice guy.
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 01:15 pm
Caudillismo.



Ehem, bravissimo, that is. (Though more Latin than Gaullic, I think.)
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 01:16 pm
dlowan wrote:
What's a Caudillo?


According to the DRAE (Dictionary of the Royal Spanish Academy) a caudillo is 1. "a man who heads, commands and guides people into war", 2. "A man who directs a guild, community or body".

According to the DUSAE (Dictionary of the use of Spanish in the Americas and Spain), a caudillo is 1."A man who holds the supreme command, both military and civilian"; 2. "A person who commands and guides a group of people, usually a group of armed people".

The DUSAE goes further: "The Caudillo is different from the leader... He's, by definition autocratic and impositive, guides himself by intuition... and has always the last word. While the leader shares power and decisions, the caudillo tends to be solitaire, but loves and promotes the personality cult."

Caudillo derives from the latin capitellus (small head) and appeared first in the Covarrubias Thesaurus (1611) with only its military meaning.

While the only head of State who named himself Caudillo is Spain's Francisco Franco ("Caudillo of Spain, by the grace of God", was his official title), it applies more often to Latin American despots.
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Francis
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 01:20 pm
Your problem, George, is that in matters of nicety, you'll never be able to touch me...
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 01:22 pm
Francisco Franco got offizially the title "Caudillo" as well as Oliveira Salazar (he 'caudilho', of cours).


I think, "Führer" and "Duce" were used similar.
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 01:23 pm
Francis wrote:
Your problem, George, is that in matters of nicety, you'll never be able to touch me...


That may be, but I am always exactly as nice as I wish to be.
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Francis
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 01:27 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
That may be, but I am always exactly as nice as I wish to be.


Yes, which denotes some ulterior motives and a consumed machiavelism..

But I forgive you, me being naturally nice..
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 01:48 pm
I seek only to amuse myself.
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2007 03:15 pm
Francis wrote:
georgeob1 wrote:
That may be, but I am always exactly as nice as I wish to be.


Yes, which denotes some ulterior motives and a consumed machiavelism..

But I forgive you, me being naturally nice..


Actually you are indeed a very amiable and nice guy. I suspect, however, that you confuse my appetite for irony and amusement, with Machivelian manipulativeness. My intentions are all good - well mostly.
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Francis
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2007 04:25 am
georgeob1 wrote:
My intentions are all good - well mostly.


See how manipulative you are?

But I suspect that you are trying again to get a rise out of me, which, obviously, will never happen..
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2007 04:56 am
Georgeob is of the wrong persuasion to get a rise out of you Francis Laughing
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2008 08:02 am
Che was NOT a good guy. He ran Castro's prisons for a time and there were many atrocities committed in the name of the movement. Decent was absolutely not allowed and dealt with in a ruthless fashon.

dlowan wrote:
Robert Gentel wrote:
I see his legacy being almost exclusively based on that extremely well-done bit of graphic artistry and his execution.

He never actually did anything worthy of his iconic status and was little more than a wandering youth searching for a cause. But what he wanted to do resonates to this day in revolutionary leftist youth.

But that's par for the course. Many revolutionary icons did little other than die unjustly.


I thought he had some real success as a commander?

The article that pointed out the changes to the most iconic photo also pointed out the creation of a kind of revolutionary christ image...assisted by the also iconic death photo...I do find myself wondering if this apparent hunger for young and beautiful martyrs fills a basic human need, since it exists in mythology, religions, political ideology (which so resembles religion in many ways) and popular culture...
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