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phanna62




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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:03 am Post: 3228364 - hard pan Back to topReport this post to the moderators

Anyone know of a way to break up hardpan?
I have a small garden area under my kitchen window that I would like to landscape myself, but I am not able to dig deep enough to even put plants in.
I have put in some Kellogg's Amend, but that takes some time to see the effects of that.
I'm looking for something that can work quickly (if there is such a thing) so that I can get some plants out there.
Thanks for the help!
Joe Nation




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Location: New York. What about it?!?

PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 8:59 am Post: 3229644 - Back to topReport this post to the moderators

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Anyone know of a way to break up hardpan?


Get a pick and a shovel and chop it all out of there. No, it's not easy.

Fill the area with topsoil, either borrowed from some place else on your land or brought in in bags from the store.

Joe(pick a cool day and start early.)Nation
mismi




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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 9:02 am Post: 3229649 - Back to topReport this post to the moderators

Can you get railroad ties or landscape timbers and make a raised bed? Once again - quite a bit of work involved. But I've enjoyed mine.
Green Witch




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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 9:13 am Post: 3229663 - Back to topReport this post to the moderators

I agree with mismi. Build up, don't dig down. Make or buy compost.
Noddy24




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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 9:33 am Post: 3229687 - Back to topReport this post to the moderators

Earthworms and kitchen leavings.
fishin




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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 9:44 am Post: 3229706 - Back to topReport this post to the moderators

Not all hardpan is equeal. Without knowing the composition of it (or at least what area you are in) there isn't much option but to suggest a pick if breaking it up is your desire.
roger




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Location: Farmington, NM, USA

PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 10:16 am Post: 3229747 - Back to topReport this post to the moderators

For what it's worth, it usually forms in alkali soils. Do a ph test to see if you need to acidify.

I have actually aerated the stuff with a long carbide drill bit, and added gypsum. If it helped, you couldn't prove it by me.
Noddy24




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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 10:22 am Post: 3229752 - Back to topReport this post to the moderators

I've seen earthworms and kitchen garbage break up adobe clay--brick hard adobe clay--to the point where it could be dug with a kitchen spoon.
neko nomad




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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:56 am Post: 3290895 - Back to topReport this post to the moderators

Over here, hardpan is reasonably workable after the spring thaw. at which time it's been softened by frost heave. I think that yours would be manageable with a sharp spade after giving it a good soak the day before, digging in small thin bites.
farmerman




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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:39 pm Post: 3291467 - Back to topReport this post to the moderators

desert pans are alkali, Eastern US pans are neutral to acidic (glacila derived "fragipans") most of these can be broken by digging the surface and growing seasonal rye or birdsfoot trefoil. These will send out long roots which add tilth. Thats why farmers plant cover crops in the North.

Then after one season, till the soil and there should be improved drainage/.
BTW , do you have a shallow perched water table?
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